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The following outlines a 'summarized' chronology of events that transpired during our quest to acquire our Sportsmobile. Many emails were sent back and forth to Sportsmobile... as well as a number of other parts suppliers (too many to list here). The bottom line is that there is a tremendous amount of involvement in crafting exactly what you want - especially if you are looking to build a one-off custom project.
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Called Sportsmobile to set up appointment to talk with one of their sales reps and schedule a tour of the Fresno, CA facility. Appointment was scheduled for that Friday at 3:00pm.
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Started driving to Fresno at 8:00pm in the evening (after work). Our goal was to reach Canby, OR (a three hour drive south) so that we could make some headway before our anticipated 17 hour drive on Friday. We arrived at our Canby destination at 11:00pm.
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Alarm went off at 1:30am (after a two hour nap). We were on the road south to Fresno by 2:30am. Remarkably enough for us, we arrived in Fresno at 3:15pm (only 15 minutes late for our scheduled appointment). Greg White gave us the tour of the Sportsmobile facility - and we were hooked. After our tour, we checked into a Fresno hotel for the evening.
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We woke very early in the morning and headed north west to San Francisco and up the coast for more of a scenic drive home. After touring a few ocean beaches and taking a quick detour to see some giant redwoods, we made it as far as Crescent City, CA before we checked into another hotel for the evening.
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Back up very early again, we completed the last part of our homeward journey by 7:00pm.
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Mailed our Ford order form for a 2007 Ford E350 EB 6.0L PSD along with our $2,000.00 deposit check.
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| Feb, 05 |
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| Build = 0 days |
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Received confirmation email from our sales rep Greg White that our check arrived. The van would be ordered as early as that day.
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Update. Greg stated that our van was the second to last diesel van ordered before the Ford and International dispute. Our diesel van should arrive around the beginning of April if there were no delays.
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Received official production order in email from Greg at Sportsmobile.
Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile... checking in and letting him know of my intentions to fly down to Fresnon, CA once the van arrived from Ford.
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[To Greg]
Just checking in. Our Ford van might be showing up in the next few days (or weeks) and I wanted to let you know that even though I have been pretty silent, I am still out here. I just about have a list of options/customizations that I would like Sportsmobile to build into this project (some factory, some one-off). I will be sending down my custom floor plan and other details early next week. Additionally, all of my banking transactions should be cleared by the middle to late next week, at which time I can cut you the check for payment #1 (roughly, 35K total as I recall).
I would anticipate once the van arrives at your shop and it officially gets in line ready for the full SMB conversion… I would like to fly down to Fresno and spend a little time going over how I would like this project to turn out (just to make sure we are all on the same page).
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| Apr, 30 |
Monday |
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| Build = 84 days |
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Received confirmation that our van arrived in Fresno (@ Freedom Ford). We now have a build number (27063F).
Mailed personal check for the remaining amount we owed for the van itself.
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Received a scanned copy of the van order from Greg at Sportsmobile.
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Received confirmation that Greg did in fact receive our check for the remainder of the van.
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| May, 15 |
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| Build = 99 days |
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Jumped on an airplane out of Seattle, WA in the morning and headed to Fesno, CA to meet with Greg and go over my proposed floor plan and options. Sportsmobile picked me up from the Fresno Air Port and brought me to their manufacturing facility. I met with Greg for at least three hours hashing out the many details of this build. Sportsmobile arranged to drop me back off at the airport after meeting with Greg. As it would happen, the ride back to the airport also included a trip to Freedom Ford so that a couple of Sportsmobile employees could retrieve a couple more vans. I was fortunate enough to get out, find my van, and take a few pics (below). I was then dropped off at the airport where I caught a plane home by dinner. As there were still a few misc. items that needed to be finalized, I did not sign the consent to build form/approval letter while in Fresno.
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Received official production order in email from Greg at Sportsmobile.
Emailed Greg letting him know just how important it was to complete this project before August, 31. My wife and have arranged a three week trip into the Canadian Rockies and this van is a key part of that adventure.
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[To Greg]
Just a note: If you get the sense that ‘any’ of the options I am requesting will push out the delivery date of the van past August, 31… please let me know as soon as possible. We may be able punt the completion of a specific option in favor of a partially completed option if you think we would be calling this too close. My drop dead date for picking up the completed van is August, 31 (due to the unalterable timing of my wife’s annual vacation schedule). That is just a tick over 14 weeks from now.
In a perfect world, my wife and I would fly down to Fresno and take delivery of the van say around Thursday August, 23. We would then camp in the van locally and make sure we could run all of the switches, etc. That would give us Friday August, 24 to have SMB assist us with any questions/issues that might arise overnight. Assuming all is good, we would then make an un-hurried trip back home (considering van break-in). I would then have approx one week (after work hours) to go over everything thoroughly and pack for our trip. We would then leave on our Canadian Rockies adventure on Wednesday September, 5… for three weeks. Slipping the date past August, 31 means that we would not take the van on this once in a life time trip - which I don’t currently have a back-up plan for. I have worked in a production line environment for a number of years and I am aware that unforeseen things can come up and can alter even the best established plans. I am not lawyer happy or anything like that and am not looking for a written promise. If it is not possible for the van to be completed by the end of August, then I will have to accept that it was not possible. I just would appreciate any early warnings so that I can make alternative choices in advance of the cut-off date.
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Sent our signed 'approval letter' to Greg... allowing Sportsmobile to build our specific van.
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| May, 21 |
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| Build = 105 days |
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Received confirmation that my signed 'approval letter' made it to Greg.
Sent mail to Dave at Aluminess and Greg at Sportsmobile detailing the custom 'safari roof rack' that I wanted built HERE
Sent mail to Dave at Aluminess and Greg at Sportsmobile detailing the custom 'camp box' that I wanted built HERE
Sent mail to Dave at Aluminess and Greg at Sportsmobile detailing the custom 'front bumper' that I wanted built HERE
Sent mail to Dave at Aluminess and Greg at Sportsmobile detailing the custom 'rear bumper' that I wanted built HERE
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Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile letting him know how I was doing with regard to my options.
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Hey Greg, This is just a quick follow-up status email. The things that I know are on my plate:
- Work with Baja Designs to get my light bar to Sportsmobile (I am waiting to get paid on June, 15 before I pursue this).
- Work with Aluminess to get the front and rear bumpers squared away. As my email was so bloated due to oversized pictures, Aluminess was unable to open the full email. I have subsequently sent them separate web links instead (to avoid sending large amounts of info over email).
- Work with Aluminess to get my custom Safari Rack taken care of. Similar circumstances to #2.
- Work with Aluminess to get my custom ‘double camp box’ taken care of. Similar circumstances to #2.
- Work with Rob to iron out my audio/video requirements. I have not taken action with this one yet… I will tackle this one Tuesday.
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| Jun, 04 |
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| Build = 119 days |
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Received information from Greg about the status of our van.
Quote: "Your van is currently in production in our prep department. In this area of production we will be installing walls, windows, insulation, flooring, and the PH top".
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Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile and Rob at IA Solutions letting them know how I was doing with regard to my custom options.
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Hey Greg, Aluminess should have everything they need from me in terms of direction right now.
Aluminess should have everything they need from me in terms of direction right now.
I should have the Baja Designs light rack on order by Friday (06/15) this week. I will get back to you with an eta on when they can have it shipped to you.
Working with Rob from Integrated Audio Solutions is my weak link at the moment (my fault). Here is what I have down now…
- Dynamat 6 doors and front ($800.00).
- Guide Point theft recovery system ($850.00)
- Call capture cell phone booster ($400.00)
- Compustar pro remote start alarm with long distance pager ($775.00)
Rob notified me that he was unable to find a supplier for the ‘Voyager’ backup camera that I wanted. In his mail, he asked me to send the product to him for install. I can most certainly do that, however, I just have not taken the steps needed to do this - yet (due to my crazy work schedule). Now that the van is in your shop and the interior is actively being worked on, I am a little concerned that my lack of speed of delivery of this camera to you will make me miss the possibility of hiding this camera wire (running from the back roof of the van to the front dashboard).
I believe I have found a supplier of this backup video system (yet to be verified by phone) here: Rear View Systems
This purchase would include the following…
- Voyager VCCS130 Color Camera ($299.00)
- Cable ($?) - depends on length
- A0M7694 Monitor Only ($799.00)
Worst case, I can get a cable shipped to you early this week if needed. It will take me a few more weeks to get the camera and monitor delivered. If you need the cable right now, I just need to know an approximate length of cable you feel you would need in order to put this in place before the interior gets to a state where hiding the cable is no longer an option (I am guessing 34 foot cable length would be ok - unless you think you need 50 foot)?
Is there anything outstanding other than the above?
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| Jun, 12 |
Tuesday |
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| Build = 127 days |
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Received more build photos from Greg at Sportsmobile.
Quote: "Currently you are in the beginning stages of our bolt down department. While in bolt down we will be installing your cabinets."
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| Jun, 18 |
Monday |
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| Build = 133 days |
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Received from Buji via SportsmobileForum.com.
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| Jun, 21 |
Thursday |
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| Build = 136 days |
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Received pics from Greg at Sportsmobile.
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LaPaz 5-Light, Light Bar ordered from Baja Designs.
Voyager AOC130XP Low Light Color Camera, cable, mount, and monitor was ordered from Rearview Systems.
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| Jun, 26 |
Tuesday |
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| Build = 141 days |
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Received pics from sdwindansea via SportsmobileForum.com.
Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile letting Greg know how I was doing with regard to my custom options.
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Hey Greg, I officially ordered the Baja Designs 5 Light, Light Bar today. The sales person I am dealing with is [removed]. [Removed] said that the light bar should be pre-built and shipped out by the end of the week. I had [removed] send this light bar to Sportsmobile West - care of you.
Also, I officially ordered the backup camera, cable, 7” video monitor, and stand. I ordered this equipment from http://www.rearviewsystems.com and was dealing with a salesperson named [removed]. [Removed] said that she should be able to ship all of this stuff out (2nd Day Air) on Tuesday of this week. This equipment is also being shipped to Sportsmobile West (care of you).
Please keep me posted if/when this stuff actually arrives… :-)
I also wanted to say thanks so much for the updated pictures. It is very interesting to see our van progress through its various stages of development.
After closing on the above two items, I don’t think that there is anything outstanding left for me to do - other than come up with the final payment and take delivery. If this is not the case - or if there is anything I else I can do - please let me know.
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Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile letting Greg know how I was doing with regard to my custom options.
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It looks like the light bar from Baja Designs will show up at Sportsmobile West on Thursday June, 28 (tomorrow). I think it is coming in two packages. If you could take a picture of it in the next week or so (or whenever it gets unboxed) that would be great. Other than a drawing in a catalog - I have no idea what it really looks like. It should be a 5 position light bar, black, with HID lights installed in four out of five locations (all but the center location). As there is no light installed in the center location, there will be an extra light (spare) plus 5 black light covers that come with it. This system should be pre-wired and ready to mount to 1.75” diameter tubing. The center location of this light bar is reserved for the cabin controlled search light (which will have to be custom tailored to mount into this location).
Unfortunately, the backup camera stuff was mistakenly shipped to me, rather than Sportsmobile West. This equipment is due to arrive at my house on Thursday as well. I will turn it around by Friday morning and ship it to you - which should get there by Tuesday of next week at the latest. Sorry about that - I thought that the instructions I left the camera vendor were pretty clear - but apparently they got their wires crossed.
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5 Light, Light Bar ordered from Baja Designs was delivered to Sportsmobile.
Voyager AOC130XP Low Light Color Camera, cable, mount, and monitor was mistakenly delivered to my home address (should have been delivered to Sportsmobile West). Merchant owned-up to the mistake and will cover the cost of shipping (overnight) to Fresno, CA.
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Voyager AOC130XP Low Light Color Camera, cable, mount, and monitor arrived at Sportsmobile West.
Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile and Rob at IA Solutions letting each of them know how I was doing with regard to my custom options.
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[Greg] Backup camera, screen, cable, mount etc… should be in your hands now (UPS tracking number shows items were delivered today).
Rob, after much delay on my part… my backup rear view camera equipment should be at Sportsmobile West now (sorry it took so long). The camera itself will be mounted to the back of the van attached to the Aluminess top rack. The location of the 7” color screen was something that we did not finalize. As such, if no elegant solution is found to locate this monitor up near the dash (off to the right of the driver’s seat somewhere) - I also purchased a flex mount, that may assist with screen placement. It is not mandatory that this flex mount get utilized… it was included to maximize screen placement options.
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| Jul, 03 |
Tuesday |
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| Build = 148 days |
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Received pics of Baja Designs light bar from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
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| Jul, 10 |
Tuesday |
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| Build = 155 days |
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Received pics from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
Quote: "Currently we are working on all of the wiring for 12V and 110V systems in the van".
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Voyager AOC130XP Low Light Color Camera, cable, mount, and monitor arrived at Sportsmobile West.
Received emailed from Greg at Sportsmobile with regard to my custom light bar.
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It looks like the costs for us doing the mounting of the light bar will be between $500-800, we will have to do some custom fabrication for the mounts and the receiver bar that will require us to do some machine work and a little R&D. I just want to give you a heads up on this item that way there are no surprises. If Baja Designs has a mounting system you would prefer we can go that route, however we would be more than happy to do a custom fabrication here at SMB. My suggestion would be to order the parts from Baja Designs if they have the parts available because you might be able to save money going that route. Either way let me know and we will proceed accordingly. Your van has created quite a buzz around the factory, along with you we cannot wait to see the end results. If you have any questions please feel free to get back to me, thanks.
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Returned email back to Greg at Sportsmobile with regard to mounting the light bar.
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Baja Designs does not make a specific mount for a Ford van, so I would like Sportsmobile to fabricate one. I am also ok with the projected cost. One of the design concerns will be to keep the light bar low enough to the roof of the van so that we can mount two sea kayaks to the top of the Aluminess safari rack - and still clear the light bar. The front and rear rails of the Aluminess rack should be elevated to accommodate for this already. The other ‘custom’ modification will be to incorporate the remote operated search light into the center slot of the light bar (hopefully level with the other surrounding lights and possibly a few inches forward - so that the search light can shine light nearly perpendicular to the driver and passenger doors). Might look a little strange, but it is more versatile than simply having five roof mounted lights - fixed forward. The last concern would be to make the light bar somewhat adjustable (tilt forward/backward a few degrees) just enough to aim the lights when the van is loaded in the rear - say while carrying my motorcycle off of the back.
Thanks for the heads up (with approx costs included). Much appreciated.
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| Jul, 27 |
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| Build = 172 days |
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Received pics from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
I am getting a bit worried now. We have approximately a month before our drop-dead date to take delivery of our project - and still make good on our vacation plans. Progress has been very slow (visually) over the past three weeks. Pictures from SMB have shown the same interior shots with the same hanging wires for a while now. The interior looks to be far from done. The 4x4 system has not been started - nor has the exterior. Gulp!
The first image below was taken from the front of the van looking toward the back. One of the two opposing pantries has been pulled out. One will be used for food while the other (shown here) will be used to store my camera equipment.
SMB has been tasked with making a custom light bar rack for me (shown in the second image below). The estimated cost was quoted at around $800.00. Price is pretty steep, but I dont know of any pre-manufactured bars that would work. In any event, it looks good so far.
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| July, 31 |
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Applied on-line at my credit union for 'RV' loan.
Based on my previous experience with trying to finance a used Sportsmobile through my credit union, I had no worries about whether or not I would get approved for a loan. However, I also realized that 'approval' is different than actually leaving with a check for the full amount requested, in-hand.
Here is an email I sent to my Sportsmobile sales rep:
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Hey Greg,
Just a quick update from my end. I am working with my local credit union to get approved for a loan to cover the remaining two thirds the cost of our SMB. I should have preliminary approval in a few days (which really wont be anything more than an approval a base loan amount). As you are probably well aware, lenders have issues calculating a loan amount for this type of vehicle (typically, accounting for less than half of the real value). I am also aware that some lenders don’t even consider the 4x4 mods in their loan calculation. My best guess is that I will need an invoice from Sportsmobile detailing the individual costs and sum total (at least a best guess) so that the credit union can figure out just how much they are ‘really’ willing to lend me for this specific vehicle. I will need Sportsmobile to walk me though this acquisition process (loan info, tax, license, delivery location, etc…) so that I can show up on delivery day - totally prepared.
Speaking of delivery day… I have been pretty quiet during over the past few months of this build. As the projected date of August, 23 gets closer… I will no doubt be sending out a bit more inquiry email - just double checking details before taking delivery (I’m not making any design changes). This activity is partly because I am excited to have patiently waited this long… as well as a little nervous (this is a big deal). Please know that my intention is not to cause you any additional headache. My big concern is that my next actual visit will be on delivery day… and based on my proximity to SMB (living here in Washington) - I won’t have any chance of returning to Sportsmobile to make alterations anytime in the near future.
Thanks so much for helping my wife and I finish this process we started nearly seven months ago.
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| Aug, 01 |
Wednesday |
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| Build = 177 days |
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Latest update from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
Greg sent me the itemized work order of all of the expenses incurred so far. This is supposed to help my credit union determine the 'real' value of the vehicle (which they attempt to do, one item at a time).
Greg also informed us that our SMB project may not fall within our hard-target completion/delivery date (this is the first we had heard of any delays). Should this happen, my wife and I may have to cancel a once in a life-time trip (for us) into the Canadian Rockies this fall. We built in what we assumed was a safe buffer beyond what we were given as an original production estimate. On top of this buffer, we then added one additional week for break-in/familiarization prior to allocating nearly all of our vacation this year for our trip. Working from what we thought was a comfortable date… we submitted our respective vacation requests far enough in advance to ensure approval. Now, with approximately three weeks left on our production clock, we were just informed that the remaining build-time could double (jump by three additional weeks). While this overrun is not set in stone… the fact that this is even on the table has us scrambling for plan B (come up with a shortened trip) to plan C (cancel this trip altogether).
Here is how we were told that our project 'might' go over the estimated delivery date (from Greg at Sportsmobile)...
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Thank you very much for the update. Attached to this message I have all of the up to date totals which include the Aluminess Rack and the audio/video upgrades. Your patience and level of communication has been absolutely outstanding and I can't tell you how much it's appreciated. As you know we will definitely be shooting for an August 23rd delivery date, I just want to be up front and let you know there could possibly be some delays in our 4x4 department. As of late we have been extremely busy with many extensive 4x4 set ups which have caused a slight back up in our 4x4 department. Your van is currently waiting for a lift in our 4x4 department, I have tried to get an answer to how much of a delay this will cause but our techs are really unsure at this point since this is the first time we have ever encountered a situation like this. My best guess is anywhere from a 1-3 week delay. I'm very sorry to give you this news so late in the process as this comes as a surprise to me as well, sometimes the production line can be unpredictable at times. I will do everything I can to keep us on target or as close to the target date as possible. Please feel free to ask as many questions as you like as we approach the home stretch. If you need any additional information for your credit union please feel free to get back to me. I will forward the last message you sent me to our finance manager Kim to see if there is anything else we need to provide you with. If you have any questions please feel free to ask, thanks.
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| August, 01 |
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My 'RV' loan amount was 'credit approved'. This means that based on my credit rating, I can borrow the amount I am asking for. However, this does not mean that I can just run down and pick up a check. The credit union still has to verify that the vehicle I intend to purchase is valued appropriately. As this is a 'conversion van', this is where all of the 'value determination' problems arise.
Here is an email I sent to my Sportsmobile sales rep:
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Hey Greg,
Just to let you know I have been approved for a loan amount that should cover the remaining owned on my SMB. I just spoke to the loan representative and she said that I needed to provide a detailed invoice as well as the purchase order in order to finalize my loan. My credit union is not completely familiar with doing loans for this type of vehicle - so I can’t say that this is 100% finalized until they actually ‘write me the check’. My intention is to meet with my credit union rep in person on Friday morning with the necessary paperwork to make sure that they are comfortable and that there are no un-answered questions/surprises remaining.
Would it be possible to send me scanned copies of my invoice and purchase order on SMB letterhead so that I may finalize this loan with my credit union?
The total $$ amount does not have to be perfect (but I hope that it will be within say 5K of the ‘real’ total). As the van is not complete yet - I would not be surprised if there were a few minor cost overruns. I can cover ‘out of pocket’ the stuff that bumps up the final price (within reason - 5K). I am just trying to get the funds all lined up, signed/sealed/delivered - so there are no last minute bumps in the road.
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I sent an inquiry back to my sales rep at Sportsmobile requesting clarification for a few items that I noticed were missing from the itemized work order I received on Wednesday.
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| Aug, 06 |
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Here is a follow-up exchange I had with Sportsmobile regarding my financing woes.
Here is an email I sent to my Sportsmobile sales rep:
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Hey folks,
I finally met with my credit union today. The good news is that I am personally approved for a loan that will cover the remaining cost of my project. The bad news is that I don’t know how to actually pay Sportsmobile. My credit union requires documentation that I don’t - apparently - have. The documents that Sportsmobile provided me were not satisfactory. I have one set of documents that detail the individual costs of the project (i.e. the work order). The second set of documents that I received from Sportsmobile resembled that of a loan application - not a purchase order. The credit union was unable to use either set of documents to finalize the loan.
Here is what I found out. I am credit approved for up to $$K of the base cost of the vehicle (which I will take advantage of). The credit union will also cover - above and beyond the base cost - the tax and license of the vehicle (which I would love to take advantage of - but this may be too complicated). In order to satisfy the approval, the credit union needs the following:
- My credit union to verify collateral value
- Dealer invoice to be provided by member
- Down payment of 20%
- Purchase order to be provided by member
All of this gets rescinded on September, 2nd if the conditions of the loan are not met.
Lets start with the paperwork. My credit union requires a ‘purchase order’ for the final price of the vehicle. I have no idea what a purchase order looks like, but according to the credit union it does not look like any of the documents that I had with me (all provided by Sportsmobile).
Hang with me… things are going to start getting tricky. Tax and license is part of the final price of the vehicle. There is a tax amount on one of the forms you provided of $10,268.05. Where did that value come from (is that CA state tax)? My intention is to have this vehicle licensed in Washington State, not in California. To do this - and not pay CA state tax, I recall something about driving the vehicle to the NV state line and taking delivery of it there. As I still need to pay WA state tax, I also stopped by the Washington State Department Of Licensing today. The credit union wanted to calculate the tax rate at 8.8% and the Washington State Department Of Licensing wanted to calculate the rate at 9.2%. Which is correct? Keep in mind that the Washington State DOL also could not differentiate between an ‘RV’ and an ‘ORV’. The lady behind the counter kept insisting that an ‘RV’ did not have an odometer - because it was used for off-road recreation only. That was when I walked out - realizing that was a dead-end.
So, how do I get the final price of the vehicle (when my own state cant even agree on a tax rate), get Sportsmobile to provide the appropriate paperwork to my credit union, get my credit union to cut Sportsmobile a check for the full amount, and take delivery (hand over the check) before September, 2?
I am sorry, but I really need help here.
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| Aug, 06 |
Monday |
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| Build = 182 days |
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Latest update from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
Greg responded to my inquiry regarding a few items I noticed had been left out of the latest work order. Well, Greg's response... really through me for a loop. Greg had started to explain how some of the missing items were either a) not accounted for or b) not configured they way I was expecting. Greg went on to tell me how we could custom order anything that was different than what I expected, but that any 'change' may lead to a delayed delivery date. It was as if we were reviewing these options again for the very first time. Keep in mind that I had spent hundreds of hours detailing exactly what I wanted and I felt that I had communicated my intentions as well as could be done - months ago. I was so flustered that I did not even know where to begin. I could see the wheels coming off of this project with every passing moment.
As an example of just how far astray Greg's response was to my own expectations, lets take the storage 'box' I wanted mounted outside (to the rear bumper). Greg had indicated that I was down for an Aluminess Baja Box. What I had ordered was a customized Aluminess 'Double Tall Camp Box'. These items are very, very, different (not only in configuration but also price). Here are the specs for my custom box I had sent both Aluminess and Greg back in May:
(Custom Double Tall Camp Box)
Specific enough?
To compare, here is an example of a standard Aluminess Baja Box:
(Baja Box)
The design and purpose for each box is completely different. I sent Greg email right away (one email for each item where there was a apparent discrepancy). I included links back to my original emails - with all of the details. Documentation, documentation, documentation.
I then followed all of these individual emails with a summarized email outlining my concerns:
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Hey Greg,
First off, thanks so much for spearheading these oversights now - and not on delivery day. Had the configuration issues with the custom camp box, rear winch, spotlight, and tires been discovered on delivery day - my wife and I would have just returned home, without our project. The truth is I am now very concerned about the prospects of a successful build. Put the completion date aside for a moment… there were a few core things here that were communicated back in May and yet somehow it sounds like we are discussing them for the first time. I certainly don’t mean any disrespect… I am just beside myself because I spent well over a hundred hours detailing my configuration and after an in-person visit and a seven month wait I am about to drop 140K+ on a van that has a number of issues I can’t fix once I sign the dotted line and leave the factory. I would love to salvage my vacation this year by picking the van up on time and then getting some good quality use out of it, but now I am even more concerned about taking delivery of what I originally ordered. I am hoping that most of the remaining items are standard enough so there won’t be any other problems - but the one that custom option that has me really worried is the custom Aluminess full-length safari rack for the electric PH top. Out of all of the options (including the light bar), this would be the most customized part of all. This rack has to accommodate for two Kyocera solar panels up forward, 5 x strategically placed integrated work lights, and elevated front and rear railings so that I can mount two sea kayaks to the rack - yet still clear the roof mounted light bar. If you have a picture of the finished rack, I would love to see it. Getting that right is critical before taking delivery.
I really hate to lose faith now, sorry. I think that there are just too many things not hitting on all cylinders with this project right now. Wait until you hear about my finance experience - in yet another email.
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For the first real sign of progress in weeks - Greg also sent an image of our van up on a lift. After a three week delay, we are finally starting the 4x4 conversion process - YEA!!
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| Aug, 07 |
Tuesday |
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Continuing my exchange with Sportsmobile regarding my financing difficulties.
Kim (Sportsmobile bookkeeper) responded to a number of questions I had from a previous email (responses below).
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Regarding documents provided by Sportsmobile. [Kim] - "The documents I sent you via email is our purchase order I can send it directly to them if they would like but that is what is provided to every credit union we work with".
Regarding credit union to verify collateral value. [Kim] - "Sometimes this can be difficult they will typically want to use the Kelly or Nada RV blue book, which Sportsmobiles are only listed in there under a used basis, they would have to use your options sheet to verify value, listing all items included in the vehicle".
Regarding dealer invoice to be provided by member. [Kim] - "We can provide you with this, but typically they need the invoice from Ford as they are the contracting dealer and provide all documentation for registration, which we cannot complete until shortly before the vehicle is done".
Regarding purchase order to be provided by member. [Kim] - "I will attach the PO I sent to you, let your credit union know they can contact me directly if it works easier for them".
Regarding CA state tax included on purchase order. [Kim] - "Yes that is CA tax, typically WA residents pay CA tax to avoid the out of state delivery as the sales tax in WA is higher and you would just pay the difference when you register the vehicle in WA".
Regarding which license rate is correct? [Kim] - "That is up to WA and the county you reside in, the credit union should be able to provide you with that information, but it is up to the DMV".
Regarding Washington State DOL also could not differentiate between an ‘RV’ and an ‘ORV’ [Kim] - "RV’s do have an odometer; you may want to refer to it as a class B motor home, which may help. There is no luxury tax on the Sportsmobile as it is under 10K lbs".
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Here is the follow-up exchange I had with Sportsmobile bookkeeping:
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Kim, thank you so much for your explanation. I am going to take a half day off of work again and go back to my credit union Wednesday, armed with this info and have another conversation with them. From my last visit, it was very obvious to me that my credit union has a set of rules - and the people that I interfaced with on the front line - apparently did not have much freedom to think on their own. The gal that I was assigned to on Monday was emphatic that I had the wrong paperwork. Not knowing any different, I took her word for it. The info you provided will help me push back a little and at some point, if I can get an upper level manager involved - maybe I can at least hook you two up (financial institution with vendor) in order to stream-line expectations.
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| Aug, 07 |
Tuesday |
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| Build = 183 days |
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Latest update from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
Greg returned an email letting me know that everything was ok. Greg had double checked with the production and purchasing managers with regard to my 'custom' parts and as it turns out Sportsmobile had indeed received these parts long ago. This was a huge relief to me and I am now slightly less pessimistic about the outcome of this project.
Here is a picture that Greg sent along with the above email to show our custom Aluminess Double Tall Camp Box. This box was customized to open from the passenger side rather than the rear as we would most likely have a motorcycle hanging off of the rear, restricting access to the original doors. Note, that this box does not have the custom top railing I had specifically asked be added... (per (Custom Double Tall Camp Box) ), but this is a very small detail that I can live without at this point.
Below is an image of our Aluminess full size Safari Rack (custom). It is hard to make-out the details as the rack is upside-down, but the large solid area will be home to 2 x Kyocera solar panels. Notice the gap between the rack supports (those tabs sticking out) around the solid surface area. This will allow me to (someday) mount these solar panels on sliding rails which I can then extend out-board from the centerline of the van. Each panel will be hinged at its outer edge, allowing at least one of these panels to tilt toward the sun as needed. This is key when we have two sea kayaks mounted to the top of the rack - obscuring direct sunlight to the panels.
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| Aug, 13 |
Monday |
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| Financing ($$) |
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Yet another trip to my credit union, the Washington State DOL, and my insurance company.
I went back to my credit union armed with more information that I hoped would help finalize my RV loan. I made sure to speak with the same loan advisor who helped me before - so that I did not have to re-visit previously known dead-ends. The loan was 95% complete and the loan advisor was on her way upstairs to get my check, when we hit a snag. The snag was due to the fact that the van was titled outside of my home state of Washington. The credit union would not first cut me a check… then actually trust me to transfer the title of the vehicle from CA to WA (as the amount was more than their max of $40K). The credit union was not flexible here - at all. The loan was stopped dead in its tracks - right here. On the other side, Sportsmobile could not license the van in WA first, as they are in CA. Total dead-lock. There were a number of other schemes that we looked at, but still there was always one showstopping issue that killed the deal. Finally, I asked my loan officer if I could terminate my loan application for an RV loan and apply for a HELOC instead. The terms were exactly the same (borrowed amount, length of payback, interest rate, all identical). After 3+ hours of applying for loans, it looked like I might finally get one. Approval was pending more documents plus four more days of waiting. To be continued…
Next was off to the Washington State Department of Licensing (a different office than I visited the first time). The experience this time was slightly more informative than my first trip. The bottom line was that to license this van in Washington, I had to pay the difference between CA state tax and WA state tax. The rough tax differential was around $1,500.00. If I could pay for the van in full (now) and I could get Sportsmobile to send me the van’s MSO and title, I could take this paperwork plus $$ to the WA DOL and get my WA license plates immediately. This would allow me to take the WA plates to CA on delivery day and mount these plates on the van before I ever left the building.
Next was off to my insurance agent. My agent was in the office but on a lunch break and I was told to come back later. Nice. In any event, I left my information and asked what it would cost to insure such a vehicle. Later in the evening, I got a phone call back stating that the estimate was $903.94 per year. Paid in full - annually. No policy suspension allowed.
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| Aug, 16 |
Thursday |
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| Build = 192 days |
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Latest update from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
It is now official, there is no way to take delivery on August 23. The new delivery date has been pushed out 3 to 4 weeks as Sportsmobile is just this far behind right now building a large number of 4x4 vans.
Message from Greg:
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Attached to this message are some pics. of your van. We will have the entire system complete by tomorrow. From there we will be sending your van to our systems department to complete the entire electrical system, plumbing system light bar and rack. I know our 12 week window was August 23rd but it looks like we will be running past our window. I'm bummed about not hitting this window and I wish there was more I could do to change this. From today we're about 3-4 weeks out from completion. Our production line is extremely busy right now especially in our 4x4 department, since we only have 4 lifts available and a high # of vans getting 4x4 systems it created a 2-3 week delay from the time the cabinets and electrical pre-wire were installed until we got the van to the 4x4 department. I don't want to use this as an excuse but I think you deserve to know why your van has been delayed. Once again I'm very sorry about the delay, I will work very closely with my production manager to ensure the final stages of your project go smoothly. I will keep you updated on the rack and light bar install as we move forward. I'm going to work on getting a firm date by the middle of next week.
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My response to Greg:
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Thanks for the update and the pics. I will be looking forward to the new eta. For sure, quality of job is more important than delivery date. My only ask (if it can be done) would be to try and complete this project on or before Thursday September, 06. One day later, and I will have to completely cancel the three week vacation my wife and I have scheduled in the Canadian Rockies. We will already have skipped the first week of this vacation to take delivery of the van at this later date.
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Front end getting installed (4.56 gears, ARB Air Locker).
Front brake upgrade (Brake Man, Storm Brake Kit - Rotors and Calipers).
Rear brake upgrade (Brake Man, Storm Brake Kit - Rotors and Calipers). Also, rear air bags installed.
Rear end getting installed (floating axle, 4.56 gears, ARB Air Locker)
Atlas Transfer Case
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| Aug, 17 |
Friday |
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| Financing ($$) |
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Back to the credit union... again. This time the HELOC loan was approved, the three day waiting period was over, and we were finally cut a check for the requested amount. Progress! We then obtained cashiers check(s) for the remaining cost of the van and mailed the works to Kim at Sportsmobile (express, return receipt). Also sent Kim an email letting her know to expect this package on Monday.
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| Aug, 20 |
Monday |
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| Financing ($$) |
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Our payment checks successfully arrived at Sportsmobile.
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Kim mailed us the following documents (overnight):
- Vehicle/Vessel Transfer and Reassignment Form
- Customer Cash Payment Authorization (Ford's $2,000.00 rebate paperwork)
- Delivery Receipt
- Certificate of Origin (MSO)
- Bill of Sale
- Sales Invoice from S&C Ford
Kim also mailed us instructions on what she needed back:
- Original signed 'Sales Invoice'
- Signed 'Delivery Receipt'
- Copy of the signed 'Vehicle/Vessel Transfer and Reassignment Form'
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Package from Kim arrived to our home with all of the above documents.
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I made copies of all of the paperwork I received from Kim.
I left work early and b-lined it to the Washington State Department of Licensing in hopes of obtaining our license plates before they closed. I explained to the teller that I was trying to transfer a CA vehicle to WA. I provided all of the documentation supplied by Sportsmobile. Everything looked to be going smoothly - until... another snag. The teller needed to know the Gross Vehicle Weight of the 'finished' SMB. This weight was not listed on any of the official paperwork that I had in my possession (only the GVW of the stock Ford van). I did, however, have a copy of an email correspondence with Kim where she clearly stated that the final GVW was less than 10,000 lbs. Of course, this was not good enough. The teller wanted the exact weight and she wanted 'official' documentation showing that. I called Kim right then and there on my cell phone and asked if she could fax the GVW of the completed vehicle (on Sportsmobile letterhead) to the DOL. Kim did so - immediately. Fax came through, DOL was finally satisfied, and our new Washington State plates were issued (after paying a additional $1,300.00 in tax).
Emailed Greg at Sportsmobile letting him know how things were progressing on my end and then asking if he knew a more accurate delivery date.
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Hey Greg, With help from Kim, I just picked up my WA state vehicle license plates today for the van. That gets me one step closer to making this official.
Is it still too early to tell if Sept, 06 is a realistic target for delivery?
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| Aug, 24 |
Friday |
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Build = 200 days |
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Mailed all of the completed documents requested by Kim back to Sportsmobile.
Went back to my insurance agent and provided them with all of the paperwork (plus some) so that they could enter this info into their computer and get my policy ready. My intention would be to stop by again the day before we would be taking delivery, activate the policy, and obtain the necessary paperwork I would need to show proof of insurance.
Never heard a peep from Greg regarding the possible new delivery date of our van.
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After two weeks of nothing, I finally had an exchange of email from my Sportsmobile sales rep:
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[Greg]: I just got back today from vacation I will give you an update first thing tomorrow, sorry for the delayed response.
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Then...
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[Greg]: Finally its here, a completion date for your awesome van. We will be ready for you to pick up on or after xx/xx/07. I'm a bummed that we could not finish you van quicker but I'm sure you will be very pleased with the end results. Please feel free to get back to me with a date you have in mind to pick up and I will be more than happy to get you in the calendar. Our shared network is currently down so when it's back up I will send some photos. I have one quick question for you regarding the switches for your lights. You would like all light switches located on the cab module above the driver's side visor, correct?
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Then...
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[Greg]: Sounds good I will mark you in the calendar for the [delivery date]. Once you receive your flight time let me know and I will arrange for a driver to pick you up. If there are any changes to the date I can update that as well. Were you planning on paying CA sales tax or would you like to arrange for an out of state delivery the day after your orientation? Once I get confirmation on this I will get you the details of an out of state drive. We're getting down to the home stretch now, please feel free to get back to me with any questions you may have, thanks.
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Finally...
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[Greg]: Sounds good, Kim also verified that we're good to go. I'm looking forward to delivering you your van it's one of the best SMB's I have seen to date.
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| Aug, 31 |
Friday |
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| Build = 207 days Days Late = 0 Days |
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Received pics from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
Well, the drop dead dead-line of August, 31 has now come... and gone. My wife and I just today canceled our long standing vacation plans. Van is still multiple weeks from being finished. However, SMB feels that they are close enough to set the 'official' delivery date. Looking at the latest photos (below), I still have my doubts.
Here is the latest round of pics from Greg...
I honestly have a hard time spotting any real progress. Based on this latest round of photos, the tires are wrong, there is no front hitch, the front grill has not been replaced, and I dont see the diesel generator. Is this even the right van??
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| Sept, 07 |
Friday |
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| Build = 214 days Days Late = 7 Days |
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Received pics from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
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[Greg]: "Next week will be a more exciting week for pictures because the bumpers, rack and light bar will be installed".
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| Sept, 13 |
Thursday |
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| Build = 220 days Days Late = 13 Days |
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Received pics from Greg @ Sportsmobile.
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[Greg]: "We have a full crew in there at the moment so I here are the best pics. I could get at the moment."
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| Sept, 14 |
Friday |
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| Build = 221 days Days Late = 14 Days |
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The official delivery date is Monday September, 17 (@ 9:00am). The original plan of taking delivery of the van in late August, speding a couple days driving it back up to Washington, rigorously checking every nut and bolt, fluid level, etc… packing all of the storage spaces cleanly and efficiently, and getting aclimated to the vans numerous systems in the safety/security of my own shop has all been thrown out the window. The build-time overruns have so played havoc with our limited vacation time that my wife and I basically have to start any vacation the moment we take delivery (if not before).
The new plan of record is to rent a spacious car (one way), pack what we think we will need for an extended road vacation (just guess), drive to Fresno (starting right now), drop off the car and store all of our belongings in a Fresno hotel room (the evening prior), take delivery on the promised date (hopefully), and head off down the dusty trail (finally).
Our newly proposed (scenic) route looks something like:
- Day 01: Drive from North Bend, WA to Bend, OR
- Day02: Drive from Bend, OR to Truckee, CA
- Day03: Drive from Truckee, CA to Fresno, CA
- Day04: Monday, take delivery. Spend evening camping in van at Bass Lake, CA (just outside of Yosemite and about 60 miles from Fresno).
- Day05: Allocate a buffer of one day (just in case something goes wrong). Spend evening in same campground.
- Day06 plus: Continue east and north hitting a number of national parks during our scenic trek back to Washington.
Rental: Ford Edge
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| Sept, 16 |
Sunday |
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| Build = 223 days Days Late = 16 Days |
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Out of Truckee… the weather is great and the roads are even better. Twisty, very little traffic, lots of elevation.
We are determined. Not even hundreds of free roaming sheep could keep us from our destination.. :-)
Upon arrival in Fresno, we stop at our hotel to unload the car. Hotel staff thinks we are moving in - for good. Hotel room is now stuffed with food, clothes, tools, gear, camera equipment, papers, etc. We return the rental car - unscathed - and the rental agency shuttles us back to our hotel. Last night - no more waiting, no more planning, no more wondering.
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| Sept, 17 |
Monday |
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| Build = 224 days Days Late = 17 Days |
| ** Delivery Day ** |
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8:05am. We call Sportsmobile for a lift (bring a truck). Sportsmobile obliges us. We arrive at Sportsmobile in time for our morning appointment. This is the big moment. I have not seen any pictures of our project in anything near a completed state (interior or exterior). No matter what happens now - it will be a complete surprise to me. I envision the following:
We are directed to step through the door and proceed into the factory. Oh well, here goes. I open the door for my wife and we walk through. We immediately see a number of finished SMB’s - none of which is ours. However, they are all stunning their own right. Wow, I tell myself that if ours looks half this good I think we will still be ok. Next, I see Greg in his office. He comes out to greet us and takes us over to the ‘finish area’ where the final touches are being put on our rig. H.. o.. l.. y.. COW!!
My wife asks... "is that really ours?" I had visulized every option, every part, every bolt. Yet, to see it completed - and in one piece - was really quite something else all together. The size/scale of it all never really sinks in. The next few moments are lost in a sureal blurr. I keep trying to convince myself that there are no more hurdles and that we really are going to drive this one away.
Workers are clamering all around our rig (four or more at a time). Apparently, there was an issue with one of the lights in the aftermarket light bar I had purchased. One of the lights would not fire (consistenly). As this was not an SMB specific item, I was preparing myself - already - to accept that something was busted... and I had not even barely been there for two minutes.
Well, one of life’s lessons - one that I sometimes forget - is that anomalies present opportunities… and sometimes truly outstanding people rise to the occasion and turn such opportunities into memorable successes. This is one of those cases. The staff at Sportsmobile worked on the lighting issue all through my orientation. Ultimately, they figured out the root cause of the problem - a defective connector. One staff member - presumably an electrician/electrical engineer (who self admittedly rarely throws anything away) found a one-off match to this defective connector amongst his archive of old stashed connectors. He replaced the defective part - and all of the lights worked flawlessly… before I ever drove out of the parking lot. Some might say that for the price, this was ‘expected’. I was there. I was hopeful that a solution could be found, but it was not expected. My hat is off to the Sportsmobile staff that turned this challenge into a success.
Oh, but wait… this success story does not end here. A new issue cropped up - again, with my aftermarket light bar. The covers I had purchased to cover the lights did not fit - they were too small. In California and many of the other states I had intended to visit, it was illegal to have lights such as these uncovered. Enter the Sportsmobile upholstery gurus. They said that they could fabricate a set of custom light covers in about 90 minutes. Sure enough, after a number of fittings and I had a matched set of custom tailored fabric light covers that matched the light covers I already had on my front bumper. No additional charge or delay in delivery. Again, adversity turned into a memorable success. Thanks Sportsmobile for going the extra mile to ensure that we drove off with a completed, functional, safe, and drop dead gorgeous vehicle!!
Other than a few minor discrepancies, this project came together as promised in the end. My previous concerns of the missing generator, custom front grill, custom front hitch, etc… were all put to rest on delivery day (as they were all there). The tires did not turn out to be what I had wanted - but fortunately, tires are replaceable items that I can swap out later to best suit my needs as these wear out.
This part of the story ends here - happily.
Best of success with your own projects. My wife and I are finally out exploring with ours... :-)
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Special Thanks To:
Everyone who provided images of this build as it progressed.
Thank you!!
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